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    Hi,
    I wanted to let everyone know about what happened to us this past week.

    We are based in Argentina, South America, and run a travel agency. We received an email from Mr. Leon Kung saying his company was interested in sending some of their employees to Argentina to visit the new country they would be dealing with on different levels and with different products through other contracts.

    Steps we were to follow:

    1. Reach an agreement regarding contract
    2. Email back and forth email with contract details
    3. Travel to China
    4. Sign contract ¨face to face¨ in China

    We were happy to have such interest in a group of 390 passengers visit Argentina and arrange the accommodations for everyone plus tours, domestic airfares and meals. However, we told Mr. Kung that we wouldn´t be traveling to China for signing the contract and if there was any other way of closing the deal.
    Mr. Kung explained it was possible to have the contract signed by them in our name if we sent a letter of authorization to them on our letterhead. This would give them a ¨power of attorney¨ and the signatures would be legalized and certified through a notary public.
    Notary public fees were to be paid 50%/50%. Our part came to a total of 1140 american dollars.

    All the information we received from them since the beginning of the negotiation (first contact was August 29th, 2016) has all been good. I checked their Commercial ID, Business licence, address, CEO person and everything checks well. However the business licence states a date of comencement of activity as April 2014 and an expiration date for the licence as ¨long term¨. This is what caught my attention as there is no DATE, rather a ¨long term¨ agreement for the licence.
    I started looking into how licences were issued in China, how long they were issued for and also looked up the notary public fee to see how much a notary charges in China for certifying contracts. This is where I realized it was all fake and the whole thing was just a scam. I realized that under Chinese law a notary public can not notarize or certify anything without the physical presence of both parties. That the ¨authorization on our letterhead¨ was not accepted as a power of attorney in China to represent us, nor was there any real interest in them sending 390 tourists for us to show them around.
    I was quite relieved to read all this. I must have spent close to about 7 hours reading and researching about different case scenerios because I wanted to make sure that what I had been working on was an actual fraud. I wasted almost a month of my time working for them, getting tours organized, contacting translators, making sure the hotels were the best ones according to what they specified in the contract. Anyway, in the end I realized that this scam was EXACTLY the same for different audiences and the product changed according to what the seller sold.
    I read that this exact same scam has happened to some movie producers in Spain and Italy, to Canadian wine companies, to interior designers and a long list of other professionals.

    Characteristics of the scam:
    * Target small offices / businesses
    * Place big orders
    * Signing of the contract must be face-to-face in China
    * Will arrange differently for those not willing to travel to China like a power of attorney letter called an AUTHORIZATION LETTER to be sent by the supplier on their letterhead to China
    * Bank account will NOT BE in the name of the company but rather a personal account
    * Notary / Notarization fee is a must and has to be sent to China before you travel, if you choose to do so.

    Given we didn´t travel to China, nor did we send the money for the notary because I realized all this on Thrusday of this past week, then I can´t tell you anything about having to by gifts or pay for expensive gifts once in China. However, this is what others have had to do in order to show their ¨respect¨ towards chinese CEOs once they are in China.

    Information regarding the company that contacted us:

    Henan Forest Commercial Trading Company Ltd,Limited in ZhengZhou.China
    CEO Name: Li Junliang (李军亮)
    ADD: No 8 Yi Feng XinDu Mall, Nong Ye Road,Zhengzhou,China
    Email: [email protected]
    Tel : +86-371-58526156

    Bank account given to us to deposit the ¨notary fee¨

    Bank of China, Xi´an Shaan Xi, China
    Account name: Zhao Dongdong
    Swift number: BKCH CN BJ620
    Account number: 621785 3600011 788030

    website: (with no info, always in ¨maintenance¨) www.forestchang.cn

    Hope this helps someone out there. DON´T GO TO CHINA TO SIGN CONTRACTS NOR SEND MONEY FOR NOTARY FEES.

  • #2
    Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

    Helpful info!
    We circulated it to some of our trade partners.

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    • #3
      Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

      Very helpful where we have the same case for more than 10 days and at one point for the amount of insurance, we questioned the matter and when make a search about the company address, we found this article and make sure they are scam

      Thank you

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      • #4
        Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

        Hi All,

        We are a Travel Agency and Tour Operator in Europe. A couple of days ago also we had been approached by a Mr. Leon Kung wanting to send 390 people on a 9 days tour. We got suspicios as he/she did not answer our question in regards to the arrival airport. Also, thanks to the heads up from Michel34 we did not go into the planning stage and did not waste time.

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        • #5
          Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

          It's crazy that this kind of fraud can continue even today after all of these warnings, you would think people around the world would become aware, but I guess that is not the case
          I am glad you avoided any problem!

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          • #6
            I was about to fly out to Zhengzhou tmr, thank god i came across all these sites stating the same story!

            Yunan Export & Import
            wanting to send 312 workers for a tour to Russia!
            50% deposit payment.
            Sign the contract face to face
            pay feed 1980$....

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            • #7
              Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

              We're a Safari Company based in Kenya and we've also had a similar experience.
              An email request was received from a guy called Yu Mo, asking for a safari costing for 312 people to visit Kenya in 03 Batches of 104 each.

              After all was agreed, this guy asked that we have a 'face to face' meeting in Zhengzhou to which we agreed. Our objective being to also tour China.

              Then a day later, he asked for USD 1980 as Notary Fees, to which we asked that he deduct from what was to be paid towards the safari buy he refused insisting that it must be paid by the selling company. Finding this a bit suspicious we asked a friend who then shared this link with us.

              The name of the company and the bank details was given as:
              YUNNAN ZHOUYUN IMPORT & EXPORT TRADING CO., LTD. www.chinaynzy.com
              Registration code: 91530100MA6KCWYC37
              Organization Code: MA6KCWYC3

              NAME OF BANK: CHINA CONSTRUCTION BANK CORPORATION YUNNAN BRANCH
              ADDRESS OF BANK: NO.306JINBI ROAD,KUNMING,YUNNAN PROVINCE,CHINA
              SWIFT CODE: PCBCCNBJYNX
              ACCOUNT NAME: YUNNAN ZHOUYUN IMPORT & EXPORT TRADING CO., LTD
              ACCOUNT NO. : 53050187503600000274

              Thank you legal junkies for saving us the grief.
              ~

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              • #8
                Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                Dear friends,
                Thanks for your guys comments in this helpful website,I am from Bali Indonesia who own tour operator INDONESIA IMPRESSION TOUR ,I just plan to leave to Chengzhou tomorrow for business sign agreement ,I have issued my ticket and booking hotel holiday inn ChengZhou for 2 nights . Company invite to come

                Henan Changxu Import & Export Trading Co., Ltd
                www.chinahecxjck.com
                Chinese government registration number:91410100MA44ETBC14
                Telephone:0086-371 56051299

                NAME OF BANK: BANK OF CHINA, HE NAN BRANCH BANKING DEPARTMENT
                ADDRESS OF BANK: NO,3-1 SHANG WU WAI HUAN ROAD,ZHENG ZHOU
                SWIFT CODE: BKCHCNBJ530
                ACCOUNT NAME: HENAN CHANGXU IMPORT & EXPORT TRADING CO., LTD
                ACCOUNT NO. : 255956954759

                From beginning everything is nothing to worry about because we communicate by email was run perfect and I spend almost one week to arrange my visa in China Embassy in Jakarta last week.
                Thing become strange because they ask me to bring cash for notary fee which is USD 2.598 but I tried to check with China embassy in Jakarta that for Trade agreement legalization cost you about USD 70 .
                I have told to the girl that as my experience for travel business we don't have any cost like this for sign agreement because business base on trust.
                Then last I email her that I postponed my trip because urgent situation with my family and ask her to come to Bali and I will pay for all hotels and tours .
                Guys please be careful because scammer is very smart nowadays

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                • #9
                  Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                  You saved me !!

                  Thanks guys!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                    Hello,

                    we just faced the scam.
                    "Happily" we understood the scam before we made any payment.
                    We did went to China so the business expenses are lost.

                    The scam is incredibly developped. They did not tried to get us in shady hotels, the meeting was in modern offices in a big business city.

                    We signed the contract everything was good until they send an email asking to share the notary fees. We were reluctant but with the amount of the contract we thought we could do an effort and agreed.
                    But when they sent a personnal account in order to process the payment, this is were we understood.

                    They only asked for 600 ish $ which seems incredibly low for the amount of effort they put in this scam... Extensive email exchanges focusing on the product we were selling (travel package for their employees), business meeting (we thought it was strange they did not offer to pay for the expenses... Now we understand)...

                    I'm quite shocked to see the incredible effort put in this scam to get 600$ from us.

                    I also drop here that if you want to travel in Vietnam, we are in need of business since we lost a (fake) customer and quite a efty amount of money.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                      Thank you guys for so many useful information.

                      The similar scam happened to our business partners twice this year, one is a travel association, one is a 5-star hotel. They both want to work with us on this "program" and that's how we prevent them from being fooled.

                      The one scam email sent to the hotel is as below:
                      Dear Sir or Madam,
                      Good day!
                      We are a tourism group company in China. We will divide our 106 tourists into 3 groups to your country for traveling every 30 days from October/ November 2019- February, 2020, around 35 people per batch that the last batch may more than 1/2 people. By the way, the time from October/ November 2019- February, 2020 can be adjusted by your acceptance ability. Please recommend us interest, city scenery, tourist attractions, shopping malls, etc. As the company travel group, I think single rooms with twin or triple beds are the best choice for us. Yes, we also want you to offer your travel service quotation (including travelling routes, accommodation with 2*or 3*or 4* hotel, transportation, three meals like buffet, entrance fees, tour guides, insurance, tips, the unit price of each person's day trip and the total price of the whole group, ect). Could you please send us the 30-day program with pictures in PDF and the total quotation list in the form of attachment (including services mentioned above)? Thanks in advance.
                      Best regards
                      Wang
                      Tel:0086-156-26940182
                      YueShang Construction Group Co., Ltd.
                      VAT:9144010130472821XY.


                      An inquiry like this is really tempting, but still a scam for sure. Hope more travel agent be aware of it!!!!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                        OH

                        I found your post already on Google.
                        Good Lord how many people fall for that?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                          Good morning,
                          I am writing form Poland.
                          We've got an email form Wang:
                          "Dear Sir or Madam,
                          Good day and well known you from Hotel Chańcza***.
                          We are a large tour group which has 330 tourists. We will divide our tourists into 7 groups to your country for traveling, around 40-50 per batch every 10 days from October/ November 2019- February, 2020. By the way, the time from October/ November 2019- February, 2020 can be adjusted by your acceptance ability. Please recommend us interest, city scenery, tourist attractions, shopping malls, etc. As the company travel group, I think single rooms with twin or triple beds are the best choice for us. Yes, we also want you to offer your travel service quotation (including travelling routes, accommodation with 2*or 3*or 4* hotel, transportation, three meals like buffet, entrance fees, tour guides, insurance, tips, the unit price of each person's day trip and the total price of the whole group, ect). Could you please send us the 10-day program with pictures in PDF and the total quotation list in the form of attachment (including services mentioned above)? Thanks in advance.
                          Best regards
                          Wang
                          Tel:0086-756-6940182
                          YueShang Construction Group Co., Ltd.
                          VAT:9144010130472821XY"

                          Is this a fraud?
                          Next week we wanted to fly to Zhuhai for sign the contract. We agreed all detail by email.
                          What should we do?
                          They told us about notary fees but didn't say anything that we should take the money with us.
                          Please tell us what do You think about this?
                          I am realy confused. We bought the tickets, it was expencive, but we sill don't pay for the hotel.
                          Now I see we should not go....

                          Can somebody write somethig more - maybe someone else got the mail like this.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                            I don't think it is legitimate.
                            Any time those supposed notarization fees come up it's a scam.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Notarization fees in China - SCAM

                              I found an information about this fees in the draft contract they send me.
                              I asked abut this, of course an answer was it is about 0.6 % of all contact, and we should pay it 50-50% both sides.
                              So we thought it is normal there. Also they explain us why we have to come to Chine:
                              "In addition, please kindly add your owner’s or your owner and his companion’s fee to come to China to the total price and we will pay that for you together with the 30% payment of the contract. Hereby we want to make the explanation to you again for our long-term cooperation below:
                              If we could reach consensus and decide to sign our first contract, we need to apply for the foreign exchange which could give you payment, however, the Chinese government stipulates that, once the EUR or the US dollar remittance is more than 10,000 CNY, we our side must have a contract and your owner’s entry - exit records to China, the most important thing is your entry- exit records to China, for the government aims to prevent official corruption from illegal contracts and illegal remittance abroad like money laundry, please kindly understand, so we could not sign this contract with you by email or post because of first cooperation and sincerely invite you to sign our first contract in China. Otherwise, our cooperation and the contract will not be approved, thanks for your understand."
                              That is what they wrote us.

                              I realy don't know what to do...
                              Did someone here got something like this?

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