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  • Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

    New York State: An attorney led mob crashed a Baptist church elections meeting and were escorted off the property after the 3rd police visit the same day. I want to know if the church members civil rights were violated under religion, elections and civil rights laws. I was thinking maybe RICO applied and/or a Civil Rights Litigation?

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    Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

    No, however, I am intrigued about whether the board was violating the churches charter and whether the attorney and others were church members or there for another reason.
    Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

    I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

    Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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    • #3
      Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

      I wish to inform you that exact nature of steps taken by other party will determine liability. In this regard church election can be declared as void and expenses of election or any loss caused by other party action can be resulted in a civil case. In this regard a criminal action may also be initiated depending upon acts of other party.

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      • #4
        Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

        Originally posted by Disagreeable View Post
        No, however, I am intrigued about whether the board was violating the churches charter and whether the attorney and others were church members or there for another reason.
        The attorney was excommunicated from the church. He got together a group of people and disrupted the meeting of church officials who were holding elections. The attorney grabbed the mic from the speaker and started to shout at the church members. The disruptive group stated pushing their way into the church after they refused to sign in as guests and began yelling obscenities at the church members. Police were called three times and the group was finally removed without charges by police officials despite breaking several criminal codes.

        The board was carrying out its legal mandates of its charter at the time the ex-member disrupted the meeting. The others members of the disruptive group were non-members and were summoned by the ex-member attorney. The non members were there for the strict purpose of disrupting the elections and meeting.

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        • #5
          Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

          Interesting. What would have prompted him to be excommunicated and all them to be yelling obscenities? Was it an abortion group?
          Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

          I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

          Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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          • #6
            Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

            Originally posted by Disagreeable View Post
            Interesting. What would have prompted him to be excommunicated and all them to be yelling obscenities? Was it an abortion group?
            No. They were supporters of the attorney who was excommunicated. They objected to signing into the meeting as guests. He was ex-com due to mishandling of church issues he was assigned to. This was a Baptist Church meeting holding legal elections to fill his vacancy.

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            • #7
              Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

              Glad to hear peace and harmony will be restored to your sanctuary.
              Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

              I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

              Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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              • #8
                Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                thank you.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                  Originally posted by camtom201 View Post
                  New York State: An attorney led mob crashed a Baptist church elections meeting and were escorted off the property after the 3rd police visit the same day. I want to know if the church members civil rights were violated under religion, elections and civil rights laws. I was thinking maybe RICO applied and/or a Civil Rights Litigation?
                  A church is a private religious institution and a church elections meeting held on church grounds a sancrosanct, religious premises, able to preclude anyone on any grounds whatsoever. A church is not a public place. But open only to members or persons the church wishes to admit. And / or shelter, for that matter. Think "sanctuary" for the policy that once inside a church one is protected from intrusion by governmental agencies, such as the police [ and immigration ]. No, a church is not a public place but a private religious institution and grounds. Its election laws it can make up at will, by its own standards.

                  I fail to comprehend how the poster has any concept that a church or church grounds is a public place where Civil Rights laws applied. Any group that bursts into a church to interrupt its services or elections has bought the privilege of going out in handcuffs.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                    Generally speaking, churches do not want their dirty laundry aired, even when it is due to people throwing mud at them for no reason. It is bad PR, the police understand this also.
                    Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

                    I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

                    Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                      [QUOTE= I fail to comprehend how the poster has any concept that a church or church grounds is a public place where Civil Rights laws applied. Any group that bursts into a church to interrupt its services or elections has bought the privilege of going out in handcuffs.[/QUOTE]


                      First, that is why I was asking whether or not it applied. The Civil Rights Act and its religious subdivisions were premised upon many things especially picketing, demonstrating and burning of the Baptist churches in the South. SO, I was wondering if the church leaders rights were violated or not.

                      Second, the leader of the disruptive group is an attorney who is an agent of the State through the Bar Association which is not a private organization but a State mandated agency and he was acting as an attorney when he committed the wrongdoings at the church. Therefore, my question arose.

                      Thank you all for your wisdom on this issue.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                        Unless the church is willing to put up signs that non members are trespassing, it is presumed churches are open to the public. Unless there was a sign indicating that a private meeting was going on, it does not appear coming to address the board was trespassing. Therefore, only after board members, representing the church, formally advise the people present they are not welcome and must leave, have they been given a trespass warning.

                        If non members were prohibited from entering a place of worship, churches would never get new members and those in need of immediate spiritual assistance whether financial or spiritual, would not be able to appeal to churches. If board meetings were held behind locked church doors, only those with keys or those let in, would appear at the meeting absent B & E.

                        The only type of trespassing notices I have seen at churches, refer to usage of the parking lot or property for non church related purpose. This means kids hanging out to party or ride off road toys on the parking lot, grass or in the woods. I have also seen churches inside cities put up signs prohibited vehicles above a certain weight.
                        Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

                        I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

                        Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                          An excommunicated parishioner is no longer a member of the church and has no right to be on church premises.

                          PR aside, the question was civil laws that could have been broken by the church and its conduct of an election of church officers or officials. RICO, the federal racketeering act as well as federal civil rights acts do not carry over the threshhold of the church. The church officials are accountable to their members and the Supreme Authority, only.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                            You misinterpreted his question slightly, he was wondering if the mob (no pun intended) that encroached on the meeting could be guilty of a RICO or civil rights violation.
                            Due to a recent promotion, I should now be referred to as Major Obvious.

                            I would not be trying to provide information and knowledge if I did not sympathize.

                            Some days it is just not worth chewing through the restraints to face life.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Is disrupting a church election violative of civil rights?

                              Originally posted by Disagreeable View Post
                              You misinterpreted his question slightly, he was wondering if the mob (no pun intended) that encroached on the meeting could be guilty of a RICO or civil rights violation.
                              No. They are not applicable inside a church. Only capital crimes like murder,felony assault.

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